Legislature(2007 - 2008)CAPITOL 120

01/23/2008 01:00 PM House JUDICIARY


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01:05:30 PM Overview(s): Chanlyut
02:03:38 PM Adjourn
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Chanlyut Board of Directors:
Chanlyut Corporation Programs
*+ HJR 27 CONST. AM: LIMITING TAXES ON GAS TELECONFERENCED
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        January 23, 2008                                                                                        
                           1:05 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Jay Ramras, Chair                                                                                                
Representative Nancy Dahlstrom, Vice Chair                                                                                      
Representative John Coghill                                                                                                     
Representative Bob Lynn                                                                                                         
Representative Ralph Samuels                                                                                                    
Representative Lindsey Holmes                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Max Gruenberg                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW(S):  CHANLYUT                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 27                                                                                                   
Proposing  an  amendment to  the  Constitution  of the  State  of                                                               
Alaska authorizing  a contractual limitation on  taxes related to                                                               
the  production  of  gas  for the  purpose  of  providing  fiscal                                                               
certainty for the construction of a natural gas pipeline.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
GLORIA O'NEILL, President/CEO                                                                                                   
Cook Inlet Tribal Council, Inc.(CITC)                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented an overview of the Chanlyut                                                                    
Corporation Program.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
LISA RIEGER, Vice President; General Counsel                                                                                    
Cook Inlet Tribal Council, Inc.(CITC)                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Answered questions  during overview  of the                                                             
Chanlyut Corporation Program.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAY  RAMRAS called the  House Judiciary  Standing Committee                                                             
meeting  to  order at  1:05:19  PM.   Representatives  Dahlstrom,                                                             
Coghill, Samuels,  Lynn, Holmes, and  Ramras were present  at the                                                               
call to order.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW(S):  CHANLYUT                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:05:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS announced  that the only order of  business would be                                                               
the overview regarding Chanlyut Corporation Programs.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:06:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GLORIA O'NEILL,  President/CEO, Cook  Inlet Tribal  Council, Inc.                                                               
(CITC), stated that  she is a lifelong Alaskan who  wants to make                                                               
a difference  in her  community.   She has  been employed  by the                                                               
CITC for the past 15 years  and has held her current position for                                                               
the  past 10  years.    She explained  that  CITC  is the  parent                                                               
organization for the  Chanlyut project.  She  explained that CITC                                                               
is a  tribal nonprofit social  services provider that  focuses on                                                               
the Southcentral region  of Alaska.  CITC has moved  from being a                                                               
traditional  social  services  provider   towards  a  model  that                                                               
creates  opportunities   and  encourages  self   sufficiency  and                                                               
personal accountability,  she noted.   The  CITC's mission  is to                                                               
work  in partnership  with people  and  to develop  opportunities                                                               
that  fulfill people's  potential.   CITC's  believes in  serving                                                               
people "with a  hand up rather than a handout."   She opined that                                                               
CITC provides  "cradle to grave"  social services whose  focus is                                                               
education  and youth.   She  stated  that CITC  invests about  $3                                                               
million  annually in  the  Anchorage  School District,  providing                                                               
opportunities   to  about   700   Alaska  Native   youth.     The                                                               
organization  also  focuses  on   workforce  development  and  is                                                               
currently  the largest  tribal welfare  to work  provider in  the                                                               
United States.   She  opined that  last year  the CITC  moved 700                                                               
Alaska Native families from welfare to  jobs.  She said she hopes                                                               
to create  job training  opportunities for  Alaska natives.   The                                                               
CITC's  goals are  to become  less reliant  on the  United States                                                               
government and to  generate more of its own revenue.   She opined                                                               
that  this mission  helps leverage  social services  dollars more                                                               
effectively.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. O'NEILL  explained that  CITC currently  offers approximately                                                               
50 programs  to the 40,000  native people living  in Southcentral                                                               
Alaska.    She  noted  that  last year  CITC  served  over  6,000                                                               
individuals.  She said she  felt that CITC's services will become                                                               
even  more  important   due  to  the  migration   of  the  native                                                               
population from  rural Alaska to  urban communities.  One  of the                                                               
reasons  that  CITC started  the  Chanlyut  program was  that  it                                                               
embodies  the   beliefs  of  personal  accountability   that  the                                                               
organization supports.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  O'NEILL showed  a  video presentation  in  which clients  of                                                               
Chanlyut  provided information  about  their personal  situations                                                               
and goals.   One unidentified  male said he  is a felon  and that                                                               
next  week he  will be  off probation  for the  first time  in 10                                                               
years.  He  stated that "Chanlyut" is a  Dena'ina Athabascan word                                                               
that  means  new beginnings.    He  related that  Chanlyut  gives                                                               
people who face drug and  alcohol addictions an opportunity for a                                                               
new start.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:18:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. O'NEILL  offered that the  power of Chanlyut is  derived from                                                               
its residents.  She pointed out  that Chanlyut is modeled after a                                                               
successful  Delancey Street  Foundation project  called "Delancey                                                               
Street,  San Francisco"  which  has operated  for  over 30  years                                                               
without  any state  funds.    She noted  that  the San  Francisco                                                               
facility houses 500 ex-convicts who  work in a setting that feels                                                               
comfortable to visitors.   The success and recidivism  rate of 27                                                               
percent in  the Delancey Street,  San Francisco  facility, offers                                                               
Chanlyut hope  for promising  results as  compared to  the Alaska                                                               
prison system and  its recidivism rate.  She stated  that CITC is                                                               
one  of four  groups that  have worked  with the  Delancey Street                                                               
Foundation over the past five years.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  O'NEILL continued  by  stating that  Chanlyut  is not  state                                                               
funded.   Instead, it  is totally funded  by the  businesses that                                                               
accept  residents   as  employees   and  by   private  donations.                                                               
Participants engage  in business management and  develop personal                                                               
responsibility and  self-sufficiency in the program,  she opined.                                                               
Currently,  the program  assists  men to  recover from  substance                                                               
abuse and chronic homelessness.   Although, she added, that phase                                                               
three of the program would add  women to the program.  The CITC's                                                               
mission  is based  on accountability  and the  Chanlyut residents                                                               
must make a two year commitment  to the program.  She opined that                                                               
CITC has  high expectations  for its  clients.   Many traditional                                                               
treatment  programs  span  30  days to  one  year,  she  offered.                                                               
However, that  amount of time  is not sufficient enough  for many                                                               
of Chanlyut's clients to make  lifestyle changes.  One element of                                                               
the program  assists clients  in gaining  paraprofessional skills                                                               
and the  CITC hopes  to add other  educational components  in the                                                               
near future.  In order to  be accepted, the potential client must                                                               
demonstrate a  willingness to  learn and  care for  self, others,                                                               
and the community.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:27:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  O'NEILL  offered  that the  Anchorage  Assembly  unanimously                                                               
supported proposed changes to the  municipal ordinances and other                                                               
changes  necessary  to allow  CITC  to  continue to  operate  the                                                               
program that can assist to 20  residents.  In July 2007, Chanlyut                                                               
began to  operate a diner  that is  open for breakfast  and lunch                                                               
Monday through  Saturday.  Clients  take part in  all operations,                                                               
she  noted.   She reported  that the  current positive  cash flow                                                               
from the  diner activities will  be reinvested into  the program.                                                               
In  addition   to  initial  facility   costs,  the  CITC   is  in                                                               
partnership  with  the Robert  Wood  Johnson  Foundation and  the                                                               
Rasmusson Foundation.  Community  members have donated seed money                                                               
to help the start the enterprises  and due to zoning changes, the                                                               
Chanlyut facility now provides  one alternative to incarceration.                                                               
She  noted  that  the  CITC  looks forward  to  signing  a  joint                                                               
Memorandum of Understanding for  its 20-bed facility, which could                                                               
potentially result in cost savings of $420,000 per year.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:32:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LISA RIEGER,  Vice President; General Counsel,  Cook Inlet Tribal                                                               
Council,  Inc. (CITC),  noted that  the  video committee  members                                                               
viewed was not scripted.   She recalled that Chair Ramras visited                                                               
the Delancey  Street program  in San Francisco.   She  shared her                                                               
enthusiasm for  the great potential  for the Chanlyut  program in                                                               
Alaska.   She  pointed out  that the  Delancey Street  Foundation                                                               
project is  comprised of five  locations nationwide and  will not                                                               
expand further.   However, the Eisenhower  Foundation's desire to                                                               
replicate the Delancey Street program's  success elsewhere led to                                                               
CITC  being one  of  the  five sites  selected  nationwide.   She                                                               
echoed the philosophical tenet mentioned  earlier which is one of                                                               
self-reliance  and   self-sufficiency.    She  stated   that  the                                                               
principal of  healing thorough helping  others is a  message that                                                               
is  reinforced to  their clients.    She said,  "There is  always                                                               
someone two  days behind  you and  two days ahead  of you."   She                                                               
related that  Mimi Silbert, who is  the President and CEO  of the                                                               
Delancey  Street  Foundation, once  said,  "We  are all  on  this                                                               
mountain together holding hands and we  can either pull all of us                                                               
down or we can pull all of us up."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:34:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RIEGER offered that Chanlyut  uses the two prongs of extended                                                               
family and  education as  the means  to help  people move  up the                                                               
mountain together.   She stated the idea stems  from the Delancey                                                               
Street facility  on the Lower  East side  of New York  City where                                                               
immigrants  arrived in  the country  and learned  from immigrants                                                               
already  here  how to  negotiate  in  the  United States.    They                                                               
learned English, how  to dress, and how to find  the library from                                                               
the immigrants already residing in  New York City.  "Maintenance"                                                               
is the first  step of the Chanlyut program  and clients initially                                                               
work  16-hour days  and are  too tired  to disrupt  others.   The                                                               
second  step of  the program  is "immigration"  in which  clients                                                               
learn to navigate a bit more  and the third phase is when clients                                                               
become part of the "academy" and to lead others.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RIEGER  opined that  their  clients  are really  re-learning                                                               
social behaviors.   She  said that  it is  similar to  the person                                                               
having his  life on a tape  recorder, that he can  press stop and                                                               
replay  the activity  to  discover  what is  not  okay.   Clients                                                               
eventually learn  how to act  as a productive member  of society,                                                               
she offered.   No one else  will do things for  the clients, such                                                               
as opening  the diner  in the  morning, so  the clients  begin to                                                               
realize that they must perform their own assignments.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. O'NEILL  relayed that one  of the clients was  grousing about                                                               
his responsibilities  and she  offered that  her response  was to                                                               
ask him, "What do you think that we have to do every day?"                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  RAMRAS   recalled  his  visit   to  the   Delancey  Street                                                               
Foundation facility in San Francisco.   He suggested that members                                                               
should  take steps  to visit  the  project in  San Francisco  and                                                               
should  entertain the  possibility of  expanding CITC's  Chanlyut                                                               
program  to  a  100  bed  facility  due  to  the  remarkably  low                                                               
recidivism rate that is possible  for this program.  He explained                                                               
that the Delancey  Street San Francisco project  consists of five                                                               
businesses, one  of which  is a restaurant.   Typically,  he said                                                               
that  restaurant  costs  are divided  into  three  roughly  equal                                                               
expenses  consisting  of  food,  labor, and  overhead.    In  the                                                               
Delancey  Street San  Francisco restaurant,  the clients  are not                                                               
paid  and their  payroll  and  any gratuities  help  to fund  the                                                               
program.  Other  business models in the  Delancey project include                                                               
one  of the  largest moving  companies and  a Christmas  ornament                                                               
business  with  sales   of  about  $1  million  per   year.    He                                                               
characterized  the  Delancey  San  Francisco  project  as  almost                                                               
beyond description.   He  opined that some  of the  problems that                                                               
the Chanlyut program  currently experiences are due  to its small                                                               
scale.   He  noted  that  so many  people  that are  incarcerated                                                               
cannot  find any  way out,  but  with the  Chanlyut program  they                                                               
might see a glimmer of an opportunity to succeed.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:44:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. O'NEILL, in response to  Representative Holmes, answered that                                                               
the   program  began   in   2006.     In   further  response   to                                                               
Representative Holmes, Ms.  O'Neill responded that 6  or 7 people                                                               
are currently in the program, but  offered that it has a capacity                                                               
of up to 20 people.   She surmised that the 100 percent ownership                                                               
must  come  from the  residents,  which  she  opined is  the  key                                                               
ingredient to making  the Chanlyut program a success.   She noted                                                               
that some of  the early clients are currently  making huge shifts                                                               
towards  gaining the  necessary leadership  abilities.   She said                                                               
she anticipates  expanding the residency  to 20 clients  by early                                                               
summer  and  will  work  to   develop  the  necessary  leadership                                                               
necessary before expanding to a larger program.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  RAMRAS   offered  his  understanding   that  one   of  the                                                               
philosophical  approaches  that  the Delancey  Street  Foundation                                                               
took was to  understand that many people are drawn  to the social                                                               
services fields  for the tremendous rewards  derived from serving                                                               
the segment of the population.   The Delancey Street Foundation's                                                               
premise is  that the community  should derive  its self-reliance,                                                               
which  should  not  be  strained   through  the  social  services                                                               
community.    Therefore,  some elements  of  the  population  are                                                               
excluded from participating in the  program such as sex offenders                                                               
and the mentally ill.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. RIEGER  also pointed  out that the  inmates and  clients know                                                               
"every  trick  in the  book"  so  they  aren't easily  fooled  by                                                               
anything that a new client might try.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:47:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HOLMES asked  who qualifies  for the  program and                                                               
for  Ms.  O'Neill  to  describe  the  referral  process  for  the                                                               
Chanlyut program.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. O'NEILL  surmised that the program  is open to anyone  who is                                                               
having  difficulties  in  life.     Currently,  the  program  has                                                               
received client referrals  from judges and parole  officers.  She                                                               
offered that the  homeless, those suffering from  drug or alcohol                                                               
addictions,  and  those  released  from prison  are  eligible  to                                                               
participate in  the program.   She  noted that  potential clients                                                               
are  interviewed  to  determine   whether  this  program  is  the                                                               
appropriate  choice for  them.   The Chanlyut  program reinforces                                                               
success  at every  turn.   Thus,  the selection  process is  very                                                               
important and valuable.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:50:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. O'NEILL,  in response to  Representative Lynn,  surmised that                                                               
the Chanlyut  program chose to  focus on  one gender in  order to                                                               
develop leadership skills.  She  also pointed out that the prison                                                               
population in  prison is comprised of  mostly men.  She  said she                                                               
envisions that the Chanlyut program  will have coed facilities at                                                               
some point in the future.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS  related his  understanding that  a person                                                               
would apply  for and be  accepted into the  residential facility.                                                               
He  inquired  as   to  whether  that  person   would  undergo  or                                                               
participate  in  any  outside   treatment  during  the  two  year                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. RIEGER  said that three  people are  trained for each  job so                                                               
that when a  person graduates from the program,  someone steps in                                                               
to  take the  job.   Initially,  residents are  assigned to  wash                                                               
dishes, but she noted  that the day is split up  by meetings.  If                                                               
someone  has  been ordered  to  participate  in alcohol  or  drug                                                               
treatment programs,  the person is  referred to CITC  for service                                                               
offsite.    Another  option  available  to  clients  is  to  take                                                               
parenting  and anger  management  classes provided  by the  CITC.                                                               
She opined that  the Chanlyut program consists of 24  hours a day                                                               
of behavior modification and residents  are not free to leave the                                                               
facility.  This  initial group of residents built the  diner as a                                                               
labor  component  of  the  program.     These  clients  have  now                                                               
progressed  and are  moving  into the  service  component at  the                                                               
diner.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:55:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  O'NEILL  characterized the  residents  as  being part  of  a                                                               
structured family and as clients  progress into leadership roles,                                                               
they take  on a  role that is  similar to a  parental role.   The                                                               
resident's routine  is comprised of  work, but the  facility will                                                               
soon add an option to  attend afternoon classes at the University                                                               
of Alaska  Anchorage.   She noted  that when  a client  shops for                                                               
food  for  the  diner,  another   client  in  a  leadership  role                                                               
accompanies him.   She pointed out  that the program is  based on                                                               
structure and accountability at every level.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  RAMRAS pointed  out  one  of the  unusual  aspects of  the                                                               
original  program is  that  it  does not  contain  a faith  based                                                               
component.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS  inquired as to whether  the monitoring is                                                               
all in-house.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. O'NEILL answered that the  residents monitor one another.  In                                                               
fact,  she said  that some  clients  have been  removed from  the                                                               
program due to  behavior.  In further  response to Representative                                                               
Samuels, Ms.  O'Neill explained that  the difference  between the                                                               
Delancey Street Foundation  and the Chanlyut project  is that the                                                               
Delancey  Street  Foundation  does  not use  state  funds.    One                                                               
downside to  that is that  the foundation does not  track clients                                                               
as closely as she envisions the  Chanlyut program will be able to                                                               
do.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SAMUELS  expressed   concern  that   some  state                                                               
programs  have difficulty  tracking  recidivism  when the  person                                                               
leaves the state.  He also  inquired as to whether other business                                                               
ventures will be considered.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. O'NEILL offered that the  leadership clients at Chanlyut will                                                               
be involved in  the decision making process for  any new venture.                                                               
She noted that  the current director has art  frame shop business                                                               
experience, which may lead to a new venture.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RIEGER  pointed out  that all  of the  ventures that  will be                                                               
considered  for  the  Chanlyut  project need  to  be  high  labor                                                               
intensive  enterprises  that  require  relatively  small  capital                                                               
outlays in order to succeed.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS  inquired as to  whether Chanlyut will reach  out to                                                               
other communities via  the prison system such  that inmates could                                                               
apply to participate in the program.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. O'NEILL  surmised that Chanlyut  is starting out in  the same                                                               
way  as  the  model  program   started  30-35  years  ago.    She                                                               
envisioned that the  Chanlyut program would progress  in the same                                                               
way.    She expects  the  program  to  first expand  services  in                                                               
Anchorage and later to expand services to other communities.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:03:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SAMUELS asked  whether creating  competition with                                                               
private industry is a concern.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. O'NEILL answered  that the Chanlyut program  has not received                                                               
any  comments about  competition from  private industry  to date.                                                               
She  opined that  relationships that  have been  formed with  the                                                               
Mountain View Community Council are  positive.  She surmised that                                                               
Chanlyut  will  work  to  form  similar  relationships  with  the                                                               
business  community  as  the  program  expands.    She  expressed                                                               
confidence  that  the  Chanlyut  program will  be  able  to  work                                                               
through any competition issues.  She  pointed out that one of the                                                               
Anchorage chefs has currently been  assisting the diner residents                                                               
acquire restaurant skills.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. RIEGER,  in response to  Representative Lynn,  explained that                                                               
the  facility has  16  beds in  an  open  dorm and  4  beds in  2                                                               
separate bedrooms.   This setting  allows clients to  progress in                                                               
leadership roles to earn privacy.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 2:08 p.m. to 2:20 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Judiciary Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 2:21 p.m.                                                                 

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